Wine Predictions

[Craig(NZ)]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

[JamieBahrain]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

That's funny! Must be getting worse? Catching on abroad too with Galloni and Suckers.

[Polymer]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

I thought it was 105? Or are we in * territory? 100*.

[Craig(NZ)]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

I thought it was 105? Or are we in * territory? 100*.

Visionaries are usually mocked, but then later on are regarded ahead of their time

[Craig(NZ)]

Feb 10 2007 "the day this winery becomes a super cult is dawning"

It's been a slow burn for Puriri Hills. It has taken way longer than I thought for these guys to get really noticed, as they don't really promote themselves, but no doubt at all this year is the year the world wakes up with the release of their world class 2013's. Pope, BC 99/100 already and just seen it has the first ever FWDC 100/100 that I am aware of. Is this the greatest ever right bank styled wine ever made in the southern hemisphere?

Off to buy another six today

[Polymer]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

I thought it was 105? Or are we in * territory? 100*.

Visionaries are usually mocked, but then later on are regarded ahead of their time

Oh I think your thoughts on 105 is spot on!

We're going to run out of space in the 100 point scale..it'll then go to happy face sad face..

[Ozzie W]

The Jimmy Watson winner in 2019 will be a Yarra Valley Pinot Noir.

[AndrewCowley]

Halliday will move to a 110 point scale so that even crap wines can score 98 points.

[TiggerK]

Halliday will move to a 110 point scale so that even crap wines can score 98 points.

I thought many of them did already??

[Ozzie W]

The Jimmy Watson winner in 2019 will be a Yarra Valley Pinot Noir.

I got that one wrong.
The winner was the 2018 Bleasdale Wild Fig SGM, a blend of Shiraz, Grenache and Mourvedre sourced from Langhorne Creek.

[Craig(NZ)]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

I still feel pretty safe on this one

[Ian S]

I predict that sometime in the near future all bad wines will be rated 99/100 and all good wines 100/100

I still feel pretty safe on this one

Are you sure they'd get them in the right order though

[JamieBahrain]

Australian wine exports to China are slashed in response to foreign policy commentary and an increase in foreign interference. The escalation in response to a new Federal government seen as a soft target by mainland policy makers who look to pushing the US east of the Guam/ Honolulu line .

Staged protests in China see Australia wine destroyed "prohibition" like. With drunken protesters celebrating with new Chilean/ Argentinian imports.

The Australian wine industry pushes for government subsidies for forays into new markets and the new government concedes.

Didn't take long! They'll be drinking Benfold's instead.


"China's ambassador in Australia has warned that demands for a probe into the spread of the coronavirus could lead to a consumer boycott of Aussie wine or trips Down Under."

[phillisc]

And my yearning of a not quite screwed domestic market may start to bear fruit...seeing a few bargains now....not the lake of wine just yet.
As for the whole China threat of closing up shop, there will still be many Chinese purchasers/consumers who are sensible people and see beyond the hysteria and will continue to buy Aussie wines for decades to come.
Cheers Craig

[wiggum]

Penfolds aka TWE must be getting nervous..... no

[Mahmoud Ali]

Is the Australian government once again following US policy positions? And from a Trump government at that!

[JamieBahrain]

Not sure what the North Americans are doing. One of them usually hides behind the curtains.

I think the Kiwis and UK promoting similar investigations. Quite brave and good on them. Perhaps CCP will boycott Kiwi wine and lamb.

[Mahmoud Ali]

Not all North Americans are the same, there being a big difference between Canada and the United States, the difference being far more stark in the last few years. I do not understand what you mean by your curtain comment, perhaps you could explain.

The United States want to blame China for its own carelessness in addressing the pandemic. NZ`s position appears to be much more nuanced, suggesting that an investigation involving all parties will be inevitable. There is a big difference.

I have noticed that when it suits people evidence from the Chinese experience with the corona virus is referred to and quoted without caveat.

Cheers ...........................Mahmoud.

PS: From the NZ Herald: International Business Forum executive director Stephen Jacobi says a China boycott of Australian goods could be an opportunity for the New Zealand economy.

[felixp21]

And my yearning of a not quite screwed domestic market may start to bear fruit...seeing a few bargains now....not the lake of wine just yet.
As for the whole China threat of closing up shop, there will still be many Chinese purchasers/consumers who are sensible people and see beyond the hysteria and will continue to buy Aussie wines for decades to come.
Cheers Craig

can tell you first hand the damage a few thoughtless politicians in this country have done in the past week might eventually outweigh the hurt of the virus.
Australia's stupidity has been front page news on the Mainland at least the past 4-5 days, the opinion pieces are, actually, quite hair-raising in their blind stupidity, but no different than those that our morons like Bolt, Pahini and Hartcher write. When you see the equivalent of Andrew Bolt in China write an article urging the Chinese people not to buy Australian products, you sit up and take notice.... she has over 100 million readers a day.

If Australian pollies were smarter (they will never be) they would have taken a far more cautious approach, perfected by NZ and Holland in this matter, and waited for the pandemic to sort itself out.... all will be revealed in due course, then due action may be taken.

It is hard for me to say this, but I have to agree with Penny Wong (gasp, shock, horror), her approach would have seen a far more tactful yet firm approach to this subject.

[felixp21]

as for wine prediction?

I predict Australian wine exports to China will decrease 30% in 2020, and 35% in 2021.

[phillisc]

as for wine prediction?

I predict Australian wine exports to China will decrease 30% in 2020, and 35% in 2021.

Yes can't say much for politicians, and whilst we might not be as red neck and stupid as Mr Orange's people, we are just as conservative. Conservatives don't think much further than their noses, however, for Dutton that might be a far view

Hope you are right about the predictions, will fit very well into my buying strategy for the next couple of years
Cheers Craig

[Benchmark]

And my yearning of a not quite screwed domestic market may start to bear fruit...seeing a few bargains now....not the lake of wine just yet.
As for the whole China threat of closing up shop, there will still be many Chinese purchasers/consumers who are sensible people and see beyond the hysteria and will continue to buy Aussie wines for decades to come.
Cheers Craig

can tell you first hand the damage a few thoughtless politicians in this country have done in the past week might eventually outweigh the hurt of the virus.
Australia's stupidity has been front page news on the Mainland at least the past 4-5 days, the opinion pieces are, actually, quite hair-raising in their blind stupidity, but no different than those that our morons like Bolt, Pahini and Hartcher write. When you see the equivalent of Andrew Bolt in China write an article urging the Chinese people not to buy Australian products, you sit up and take notice.... she has over 100 million readers a day.

If Australian pollies were smarter (they will never be) they would have taken a far more cautious approach, perfected by NZ and Holland in this matter, and waited for the pandemic to sort itself out.... all will be revealed in due course, then due action may be taken.

It is hard for me to say this, but I have to agree with Penny Wong (gasp, shock, horror), her approach would have seen a far more tactful yet firm approach to this subject.

Can I get a brief summary on these comments. Well out of the loop.

[Redav]

Conservatives don't think much further than their noses, however, for Dutton that might be a far view

I thought his misguided criticism of the NSW Premier, was a bit hypocritical. It makes me wonder how many he infected. My wife sat in on a meeting with her principal and then the next day, found out that he'd met Dutton between the time he had likely caught the virus and to when he'd tested positive. My wife had had a sore throat before and after we'd found that out and at the time, I'd been commuting via the train to an office with a fistful of others wishing our companies would tell us to work from home. That fortnight was not fun.

I wonder if Pennies will try and fob off their wine on the locals that they can't send to China if something comes of recent events. I can imagine them trying to extract full RRP and then seem puzzled that it doesn't move

[JamieBahrain]

can tell you first hand the damage a few thoughtless politicians in this country have done in the past week might eventually outweigh the hurt of the virus.
Australia's stupidity has been front page news on the Mainland at least the past 4-5 days, the opinion pieces are, actually, quite hair-raising in their blind stupidity, but no different than those that our morons like Bolt, Pahini and Hartcher write. When you see the equivalent of Andrew Bolt in China write an article urging the Chinese people not to buy Australian products, you sit up and take notice.... she has over 100 million readers a day.

If Australian pollies were smarter (they will never be) they would have taken a far more cautious approach, perfected by NZ and Holland in this matter, and waited for the pandemic to sort itself out.... all will be revealed in due course, then due action may be taken.

It is hard for me to say this, but I have to agree with Penny Wong (gasp, shock, horror), her approach would have seen a far more tactful yet firm approach to this subject.

I think you are very wrong felix and misjudge the concurrent difficulties of trade and national security. Now if you make a lot of money out of China or are heavily invested ( like I am ) you may not want to consider national security like many within our business community.

COVID is a wake up. It offers and insight into what future conflict may entail. It's a fortunate snapshot, a peek at the modern Blitzkreig or Shock and Awe, and of the difficulties of Grey Zone geo-politics. It's dramatic. The reaction of the CCP will be far more severe on Australia than NZ over fair calls for investigations into what is a threat to world security ( horrific wildlife trade etc). Australia is strategically significant in the conquest of the Pacific- agrarian NZ is not ( though not as irresponsibly so as Canada ).

The rise of China as a Pacific economic and military superpower is no different to the 1930's. Australia is a strategic flank as is it's alliance with the US. China is trying to do exactly what the Japanese navy could not do in 1941- without firing a shot. It's already done this in the Phillipines ( not so hard considering perpetual corruption ). It's having a lot more success in Australia IMO due partisan politics and greed than say South Korea and Japan.

Australia and China both need each other in certain critical areas of trade. Areas of our dependance must change for security. China doesn't need our wine and meat- and Australian wine will always be a spectacular and visible way for the CCP to whip Australia on national security issues using their controlled internet army of influencers. Our wine trade was always on the sacrificial alter.

Wong was quite forthcoming? Next year even more so, painfully, when her heritage lines in HKG cop a heavy fist.

[mjs]

I have a bad feeling about this

[brodie]

can tell you first hand the damage a few thoughtless politicians in this country have done in the past week might eventually outweigh the hurt of the virus.
Australia's stupidity has been front page news on the Mainland at least the past 4-5 days, the opinion pieces are, actually, quite hair-raising in their blind stupidity, but no different than those that our morons like Bolt, Pahini and Hartcher write. When you see the equivalent of Andrew Bolt in China write an article urging the Chinese people not to buy Australian products, you sit up and take notice.... she has over 100 million readers a day.

If Australian pollies were smarter (they will never be) they would have taken a far more cautious approach, perfected by NZ and Holland in this matter, and waited for the pandemic to sort itself out.... all will be revealed in due course, then due action may be taken.

It is hard for me to say this, but I have to agree with Penny Wong (gasp, shock, horror), her approach would have seen a far more tactful yet firm approach to this subject.

I think you are very wrong felix and misjudge the concurrent difficulties of trade and national security. Now if you make a lot of money out of China or are heavily invested ( like I am ) you may not want to consider national security like many within our business community.

COVID is a wake up. It offers and insight into what future conflict may entail. It's a fortunate snapshot, a peek at the modern Blitzkreig or Shock and Awe, and of the difficulties of Grey Zone geo-politics. It's dramatic. The reaction of the CCP will be far more severe on Australia than NZ over fair calls for investigations into what is a threat to world security ( horrific wildlife trade etc). Australia is strategically significant in the conquest of the Pacific- agrarian NZ is not ( though not as irresponsibly so as Canada ).

The rise of China as a Pacific economic and military superpower is no different to the 1930's. Australia is a strategic flank as is it's alliance with the US. China is trying to do exactly what the Japanese navy could not do in 1941- without firing a shot. It's already done this in the Phillipines ( not so hard considering perpetual corruption ). It's having a lot more success in Australia IMO due partisan politics and greed than say South Korea and Japan.

Australia and China both need each other in certain critical areas of trade. Areas of our dependance must change for security. China doesn't need our wine and meat- and Australian wine will always be a spectacular and visible way for the CCP to whip Australia on national security issues using their controlled internet army of influencers. Our wine trade was always on the sacrificial alter.

Wong was quite forthcoming? Next year even more so, painfully, when her heritage lines in HKG cop a heavy fist.

had to look hard for evidence but I guess the underlined bit vaguely qualifies as wine related!

can we go back to our regular programming ?

cheers and hope everyone is drinking well

brodie

[JamieBahrain]

I have a bad feeling about this

Not sure what you are worried about? Felix and I get on fine.

Australian wine exports to China are huge and will affect and are topical to the forum. The threat of consumer embargo is real and I know how this plays out because the same thing happened to my employer. A devastating consumer embargo sponsored by government and social media influencers.

If every Australian of drinking age given a $50 wine voucher by the government, China exports covered! And I won't worry about mainland folks turning up with Penfold's 407 to my BBQ's- as charry as my sausages.

[mjs]

I have a bad feeling about this

Not sure what you are worried about? Felix and I get on fine.

Australian wine exports to China are huge and will affect and are topical to the forum. The threat of consumer embargo is real and I know how this plays out because the same thing happened to my employer. A devastating consumer embargo sponsored by government and social media influencers.

If every Australian of drinking age given a $50 wine voucher by the government, China exports covered! And I won't worry about mainland folks turning up with Penfold's 407 to my BBQ's- as charry as my sausages.

Apologies Jamie, perhaps context is lost in the brevity. Not referring to you/Felix, nor specifically the potential impact on our wine industry. More on the geo-political issues, some of which you outlined in your previous email. The world will be a very different place by mid century, potentially not to everyone's liking.

[felixp21]

yes, I can see where you are coming from Jamie, but I just wish we hadn't taken this as the issue to be the World Police on.

we don't have the economical, military or strategic strength to play World Cop, and I'd feel much better if we had followed another country's proposal, rather than being the instigator in this.

very very damaging in the long term.

I did allow myself a wry smile when, less than 48 hours after the all the out-cry to stop trade with China, we go and buy 10 million Covid test kits, simply because there is no-one else on Earth capable of delivering the required package.

All this jingoistic garbage about being 'too reliant on China" simply ignores the stark reality Australia faces, we don't have the technology, means or money to be even remotely close to self-sufficient in so, so many vital parts of our economy.

BTW, to those concerned about the "live animal markets", and that includes me, it would be worth remembering that there are over 1,000 such horrible places scattered throughout Asia, of which China has less than 150. Scott Morrison absolutely knows this, but it seems it isn't politically expedient for him to demand that Indonesia close their known 200 such markets, only China, which clearly is a chest puffing exercise for our dear leader.