Bordeaux 2016

[Dragzworthy]

Hello
Curious if anyone is looking at en primeur futures for 2016 vintage? I went large last year as a cracking vintage (or are they all fabulous during the campaign?) coincided with my baby boy's birthyear so the idea was to buy for long term cellaring. This year is supposed to be a stronger left bank (notably Margaux and St Julien) year, personally hve my eyes on Chateau D'Issan and Gloria.

[sjw_11]

Initial offers I have seen are showing 20-25% price lifts vs 2015!

Neil Martin is quoted as saying this is "unequivocally a great vintage". You can see a snap shot of the scores from the various publications here:
https://www.bbr.com/bordeaux-2016-the-scores

[Hunter]

I went large last year. And will grab a few favourites this year.
Haut bailly, pape clement, SHL , Rauzan segla, canon, pontet

[TiggerK]

I thought this was an accurate and factual statement on the matter....

Particularly the last three paragraphs.

http://www.timatkin.com/articles?1777

[BrandonS]

I thought this was an accurate and factual statement on the matter....

Particularly the last three paragraphs.

http://www.timatkin.com/articles?1777

That has to be one of the funniest articles I've read in ages - and certainly the funniest to do with wine! I love that cynical wit!

[phillisc]

The last sentence sums it up for me...a fair bit of bullshit about Bordeaux...but hey it makes the world go round.
Cheers
Craig

[Dragzworthy]

I thought this was an accurate and factual statement on the matter....

Particularly the last three paragraphs.

http://www.timatkin.com/articles?1777

Brilliant. Deep down I know it's true...BUT

I still buy

[Ian S]

Yes a bit laboured in places but the key bullshit exposed very clearly.

White Burg (excepting Macon) and Bdx (excepting occasional Pomerol to keep the brains of the operation happy) have successfully worked themselves out of my interest. The former through f*cking the product up and arrogantly carrying on for 20 years as if nothing has happened, the latter through looking to screw as much money as possible out of the punters, and if that means jollies for the wine critics, bring it on - "Here are your first class tickets sir, your usual suite is prepared".

Both have taken the piss. Or to put it another way, they're acting like Penfolds.

[swirler]

Initial offers I have seen are showing 20-25% price lifts vs 2015!

Neil Martin is quoted as saying this is "unequivocally a great vintage". You can see a snap shot of the scores from the various publications here:
https://www.bbr.com/bordeaux-2016-the-scores

Wow! Suckling's scores are amazing!

[simon1980]

I'm torn on this one. That article is funny, and I realistically know it's the case. But at the same time, I do just love a bottle of decent claret from time to time. And I like the sound of the 16's as the alcohols are much lower than the 09's and 10's.

To be honest, I'm terrified what may happen with the prices...with both the hype and the devastating frost for the 17 vintage. I'll probably look to pick up a few Branaire, Phelan Segur etc...sadly I think some of my old favourites (Calon/Leoville B) will be beyond the reasonable.

However, with the recent tastings in bottle of the 14's, I have taken the opportunity to grab a few at good prices (compared to the 15's).

[Mark Carrington]

Yes a bit laboured in places but the key bullshit exposed very clearly.

White Burg (excepting Macon) and Bdx (excepting occasional Pomerol to keep the brains of the operation happy) have successfully worked themselves out of my interest. The former through f*cking the product up and arrogantly carrying on for 20 years as if nothing has happened, the latter through looking to screw as much money as possible out of the punters, and if that means jollies for the wine critics, bring it on - "Here are your first class tickets sir, your usual suite is prepared".

Both have taken the piss. Or to put it another way, they're acting like Penfolds.

Wholeheartedly agree on Bordeaux/Penfolds.
With white Burgundy, I buy direct after tasting & don't age the wines very long. There are certain producers that I won't touch with a barge pole, due to their persistent disregard of the paying punter.

[swirler]

Yes a bit laboured in places but the key bullshit exposed very clearly.

White Burg (excepting Macon) and Bdx (excepting occasional Pomerol to keep the brains of the operation happy) have successfully worked themselves out of my interest. The former through f*cking the product up and arrogantly carrying on for 20 years as if nothing has happened, the latter through looking to screw as much money as possible out of the punters, and if that means jollies for the wine critics, bring it on - "Here are your first class tickets sir, your usual suite is prepared".

Both have taken the piss. Or to put it another way, they're acting like Penfolds.

Wholeheartedly agree on Bordeaux/Penfolds.
With white Burgundy, I buy direct after tasting & don't age the wines very long. There are certain producers that I won't touch with a barge pole, due to their persistent disregard of the paying punter.

Australian chardonnay can be great vfm and generally ages well. 10 years+ for most reasonably good examples.

[tarija]

I thought this was an accurate and factual statement on the matter....

Particularly the last three paragraphs.

http://www.timatkin.com/articles?1777

This article is gold, thanks for this!

[tarija]

latter through looking to screw as much money as possible out of the punters, and if that means jollies for the wine critics, bring it on - "Here are your first class tickets sir, your usual suite is prepared".

Both have taken the piss. Or to put it another way, they're acting like Penfolds.

It's only really the Bordeaux classed growths and Pomerol that are screwing the consumers. A lot of the Haut Medoc and satellites are not so bad, and I daresay there must be quite a few small producers that probably make very nice wine that don't get much airtime in UK/US/Aus.

Red Burgundy is definitely taking the piss - Rousseau village wines for > $200 is a sad joke.

[felixp21]

latter through looking to screw as much money as possible out of the punters, and if that means jollies for the wine critics, bring it on - "Here are your first class tickets sir, your usual suite is prepared".

Both have taken the piss. Or to put it another way, they're acting like Penfolds.

It's only really the Bordeaux classed growths and Pomerol that are screwing the consumers. A lot of the Haut Medoc and satellites are not so bad, and I daresay there must be quite a few small producers that probably make very nice wine that don't get much airtime in UK/US/Aus.

Red Burgundy is definitely taking the piss - Rousseau village wines for > $200 is a sad joke.

spot on re Bordeaux, there are fantastic, incredible values there if you ignore the classified growth wines. In addition, forget Pomerol, and have a look at Lalande de Pomerol, some awesome wines dirt cheap.

not sure if red Burgundy is taking the piss, I think it is more your friendly Aussie importer is taking the piss. When a 27 euro wine ex- cellar turns up here selling to the punter at $195 "pre-arrival" or $220 "on the shelves" I think it is hard to put a lot of the blame on the poor old bloke from Beaune!!!
The ex-cellar prices in Burgundy will absolutely shock most Aussie wine lovers... they certainly shocked me when I first found out!!!