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Screwcap Rant

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reading an interesting rant about Rieslings under screwcaps
author John Gillman
Australian Riesling
Because of the Aussies’ love affair with screwcaps- particularly for their riesling bottlings- I really have not paid any attention in the last decade. In my opinion, the closure is fatally flawed as it is used today, and I find it inexcusable for so many winemakers and winery owners to try and sweep the flaws under the rug instead of ‘fessing up that they were screwed by the early propaganda and half-assed research- that the screwcap technology is still not ready to gracefully age wines- and switch back completely to corks until a time when the alternatives are really ready. Instead, we have all this “copper fining” BS- adding heavy metals to the wines so that they can use a flawed closure system is in my opinion just asinine and ethically bankrupt- and every other sort of winemaking manipulation ever conceived by man to try and get the wines ready to seal up under screwcap. Of course the jury is still out on whether or not adding huge doses of copper sulphate to the wines pre-bottling is safe for those consuming the wines, but I for one am not about to be the guinea pig on that score.

But beyond my rant on whether or not all these “treatments” (rather an Orwellian use of the word) that the Aussies put their wines through are safe, there is little doubt that copper finings and the like do strip out much of the character of the wines, and are still completely ineffectual and simply put off the day when the wines go into permanent reduction under screwcap and are ruined. How do you make a screwcap-sealed wine taste and smell like rotting cabbage or burning rubber- put it in the cellar for a few years. They almost all get there over time. But the damage starts faster than that- were you at the big Penfolds’ tasting here in New York a couple of months ago? Their 2007 Bin 51 Eden Valley Riesling was a perfect example of just how insidious screwcaps are for wine- this wine received 90 points from Josh Raynolds in his International Wine Cellar review in the September-October ’08 issue, and Josh has a great palate. By the time we tasted the wine at the end of October it was already obviously suffering from sulphate reduction- it was overtly mineral and borderline metallic on the palate, and about as short on the finish as a wine could be- classic reduction symptoms. About as classic an example of a 75 point wine as I have come across in some time. Now most wine drinkers would not recognize the symptoms of sulphate reduction in the wine- this was a journalist-only event and I did not hear many comments about the reduced aspects of the wine when it was served- and most would just assume that Penfolds cannot make riesling worth a damn.

So when the Aussies regain their senses and start using corks again- warts and all, and I am no great fan of TCA-tainted wines- not to mention all of the premature oxidation issues with recent vintages of my beloved white Burgundies, which in my opinion may well be cork-related- then I will start tasting Australian rieslings again in-depth. But really, what is the point of tasting a wine young that you strongly suspect is going to crash and burn quickly because of its closure? By the way, the 1999 Penfolds Eden Valley Riesling served at that same tasting from magnums (sealed with corks) was stellar, and shows that the potential for this grape is very high in Australia, but the whole wine industry down under (and New Zealand is every bit as large of an offender on this score) has got to deal with the screwcap issue first. Until that time I am not prepared to invest much time and even less money in what is going on down there.


this is part of a larger article on Rieslings in general

interesting comments about copper fining and its effects

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What a bizarre rant.

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Sorry. did not realise this had already been posted
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I disagree with the guy. Screwcaps are a godsend. No question.
Far, far better than cork that's for sure.
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Don't worry Mr. Gillman, I'm sure Riesling will make its -big- comeback in 5 years time! Just in time when NZ Sauv Blanc will go out of fashion, right? Right? Oh wait, what's that? Pinot Gris from NZ has already started to take up where NZ Sauv Blanc is leaving? Oh drat, don't worry, Riesling will surely come back in full swing after that then! But, but! Ohhh if only Riesling were not screwcap then people would take it more seriously! Mark my words I tells you!

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I'm amazed by this article extract, and is completely goes against my experience with screwcaps. The first word that leapt to mind was 'crock' - and I don't mean a crock of tawny port :)
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I thought Sulphur was used in all wines to protect against premox. Is it not used in wines sealed under cork, or is a different type or amount of sulphur used?

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Gosh, sad to know that these screwcaps which give us all so much security and peace of mind are actually going to cause Mr Gillman not to invest in, or visit us.

Oh well, I suspect we'll adjust to this loss somehow :)

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Wizz wrote:What a bizarre rant.


Couldn't agree more. This guy must own huge share(s) in cork producing company(s) :lol:

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Well...I guess that means we can all breathe a sigh of relief as he stops buying Australian riesling under screwcap. I'm presuming that this means that there might be an extra couple of cases , maybe three cases tops available in the market place now :mrgreen:

I really don't know where he's going with this article. It strikes me as plain weird - cork is not the right long term solution :shock:

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I thought Sulphur was used in all wines to protect against premox. Is it not used in wines sealed under cork, or is a different type or amount of sulphur used?

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Michael


Most table wines include 220 (sulphur dioxide) as a preserving agent. What varies is the dosage.

I think for a red wine (whites are different) I've seen an ANZS Food Standard guideline that says you can add up to something like 250mg parts of 220 per kilogram and that was the maximum permitted amount. Anything over and the wine can't be sold or distributed on a commercial basis.

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"classic 75-point wine" indeed, down from 90 given by a chap with a great palate. A screwcap can take 15 points off in twelve months. Wow.

The rant is 4 years old - I assume he still holds the same views; it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd change your mind about, whatever happends in the future. Anyway, at least he won't be poisoned by any Oz/NZ wines and their deadly levels of cyanide. That's a relief.

Whatever happened to that chap White from NZ who reckoned everything under screwcap was total rubbish? Is he still around?
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Wise words as ever Graeme.
Luddites hold their views for ever I am afraid.
To be honest, it annoys me a little that this kind of crap keeps getting recycled on Aussie fora. We should know better.

Roger

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