TN: 2002 Turkey Flat Shiraz

markg · Post by **markg** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:21 pm

This is a fantastic wine. A juicy nose of plums, lanolin, chocolate and coffee beans. The palate is exceptionally well structured, with layers and layers of intense fruits, chocolates and powdery tannins, finishing long, lingering and very persistenat, will cellar for decades.

Wizz · Post by **Wizz** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:57 pm

Mark, has this been released or is this a prerelease sample?

AB

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:17 pm

Due for release in July according to Ric, from his recent visit, look for Ch 5 next week.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:05 pm

No secrets from Brian, but then he is proof reading my Tour Diary.

Alan Rath · Post by **Alan Rath** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:45 am

For some peculiar reason, we have half bottles here at a local shop. Drank one over the weekend for Father's day, and it was fantastic, just as described by Mark (although I'm not entirely sure what lanolin smells/taste like). A deep, baritone shiraz, just approaching, but not crossing into, the tar/licorice territory. I'll be looking out for the 750's later in the summer. On the TORB scale, I'd rate it Excellent.

Regards,
Alan

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:11 am

Alan Rath wrote:On the TORB scale, I'd rate it Excellent.

Alan,

Thats what I rated it. :wink:

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:51 am

Red Bigot wrote:Due for release in July according to Ric, from his recent visit, look for Ch 5 next week.

Released in July with your favourite wine retailer!

BTW not read Ric's diary yet, but the Cabernet's pretty smart too.

markg · Post by **markg** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:09 am

Wizz wrote:Mark, has this been released or is this a prerelease sample?

AB

Not released yet. July... Looking forward to trying it again

markg · Post by **markg** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:11 am

Alan Rath wrote:..although I'm not entirely sure what lanolin smells/taste like...

Find an agreeable sheep (ask a Kiwi how to make them agreeable) and chew on some of the wool .... Lanolin

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:34 pm

markg wrote:This is a fantastic wine. A juicy nose of plums, lanolin, chocolate and coffee beans. The palate is exceptionally well structured, with layers and layers of intense fruits, chocolates and powdery tannins, finishing long, lingering and very persistenat, will cellar for decades.

Mark, thanks for the TN and the info. TF is a regular buy for me and I need to exercise restraint to keep a few bottles to mature.

Just blew the budget and ordered 6 btls online in a mixed case @ http://www.turkeyflat.com.au/. $35/btl for the shiraz, 14.5% alc, cellar up to 15 years. The grenache 02 is 15% alc.

Checked the site a few weeks ago and have been waiting for the newsletter to arrive but it's been pre-empted.

Regards

daz

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:43 am

I'm sure Gavin's thrilled to see you post Darryl, given his earlier comment.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:58 am

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure Gavin's thrilled to see you post Darryl, given his earlier comment.

Hello

I'm not at all fussed if someone buys cellar door, that's maximum profits for the producer and good for them.

I only get a bit (and then only mildly) annoyed if people post other retailer's prices, web sites on a forum that i pay for and support etc.

I have no problem with Daryl's post.

Kiwi · Post by **Kiwi** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:49 am

Find an agreeable sheep (ask a Kiwi how to make them agreeable) and chew on some of the wool .... Lanolin

The fact that you have sited Lanolin in your tasting note Mr Wickman has not been overlooked :lol:

Btw, can I have those gumboots back please :wink:

Yours,
Kiwi

markg · Post by **markg** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:25 am

Kiwi wrote:
Find an agreeable sheep (ask a Kiwi how to make them agreeable) and chew on some of the wool .... Lanolin

The fact that you have sited Lanolin in your tasting note Mr Wickman has not been overlooked

Btw, can I have those gumboots back please

Yours,
Kiwi

I feel a bit sheepish about all this now :oops:

KMP · Post by **KMP** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:46 am

Alan Rath wrote:For some peculiar reason, we have half bottles here at a local shop. Drank one over the weekend for Father's day, and it was fantastic, just as described by Mark (although I'm not entirely sure what lanolin smells/taste like). A deep, baritone shiraz, just approaching, but not crossing into, the tar/licorice territory. I'll be looking out for the 750's later in the summer. On the TORB scale, I'd rate it Excellent.

Regards,
Alan

Interesting. We have half bottles of the 2002 over here as well. I was going to buy some but asked if they had 750 ml and yes they did. Got them home and found out they were 2001!!

Anyone got TNs on the 2001 before I return them?

Mike

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:15 am

http://www.auswine.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1733&start=0
about a third of the way down the page.

The 01's are good wine and worth having, but then so is the 02.

KMP · Post by **KMP** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:24 am

TORB wrote:http://www.auswine.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1733&start=0
about a third of the way down the page.

The 01's are good wine and worth having, but then so is the 02.

Thanks Ric. If it wasn't for a head cold I'd open a bottle and check out just how big those appendages are! :wink:

Mike

Mike Hawkins · Post by **Mike Hawkins** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:28 am

Mike,

The 01 TF Shiraz won the Great Australian Shiraz challenge last year. I really like the wine, it doesn't have sonme of the prune and dead fruit characters prevalent in some 01 shirazes.

I recommend you hold on to some.

Mike

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:12 pm

I wholesaled Turkey Flat in NSW from the initial 1990 vintage through to the 1998 vintage so I know the wines well. While the 2001 has incredible concentration and intensity, it hasn't the viscosity or balance to hold it's high alcohol. I have tasted the 2001 Turkey Flat Shiraz 5 times and have been left dissapointed each time as it really is just too hot. Close, but no cigar in my book. Balance is always the key.
I tasted the 2002 Shubert Goose Block Shiraz over the weekend. While it also a warm wine and extremely ripe, it has the balance Turkey Flat lacks in the alcohol department.
I do look forward to tasting the 2002 soon.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:26 pm

Gary,

Who knows, time will tell, but you may be right. Jeremy Oliver says drink 2006-9 and rates it 17.2 My database says 2005 to 2009. Halliday's site still shows the 2000 so thats no help. :roll:

I certainly didn't notice excessive heat but it is not a long term wine, but then precious few from 2001 in McL and the Barossa will be.

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:48 am

Ric
Halliday is the chair of the Visy Baord Great Australian Shiraz Challenge and from memory, he gave the TFS 01 something like 19.1 or 18.9, so whether it is an average score of the judging panel or his score, he likes the wine. So do I only to a point, but it is not a great wine.
By the way, the Langhorne Creek Shiraz you refered to being feremted at Kalleske "a smell to live for" is a 35 year old vine shiraz we bought 40 tonnes of & Troy is making for us. Glad you liked the smell, we can't wait to see the finished wine.

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:14 pm

Gavin, thanks. I've been an online CD buyer from TF for a few years now and have no reason not to support the winery by buying direct. Some of their range, especially the marsanne/semillon which I first tasted and really enjoyed last year don't seem to be readily available elsewhere. An interesting, good value white.

I've only tasted 99, 00 & 01 shiraz so far. The 99 is excellent wine, the 00 may have been an indifferent bottle (or the result of the vintage?) but I wasn't impressed, the 01 I really like but don't think it's as good as the 99. The 02 should be interesting. Have a single bottle of the 98 for a mini vertical in a few years time.

Guesstt :lol:

, at least you could've spelt my name right. :roll:

Cheers all

daz

GrahamB · Post by **GrahamB** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:58 am

Daryl Douglas wrote:Gavin, thanks. I've been an online CD buyer from TF for a few years now and have no reason not to support the winery by buying direct. Some of their range, especially the marsanne/semillon which I first tasted and really enjoyed last year don't seem to be readily available elsewhere. An interesting, good value white.

I've only tasted 99, 00 & 01 shiraz so far. The 99 is excellent wine, the 00 may have been an indifferent bottle (or the result of the vintage?) but I wasn't impressed, the 01 I really like but don't think it's as good as the 99. The 02 should be interesting. Have a single bottle of the 98 for a mini vertical in a few years time.

Guesstt , at least you could've spelt my name right.

Cheers all

daz

I only have one 99 TFS left, so what is the advice on when to open this one?

Graham

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:20 pm

GrahamB wrote:
I only have one 99 TFS left, so what is the advice on when to open this one?

Graham

That's the problem with the TF shiraz, too easy to drink when young. A rule of thumb is at least five years after vintage. I guess that's why most premium wines aren't released until then. Ric reckons eight years and for the 99 TF shiraz I'd agree with him, though it could develop for up to 10 years and hold for up to five more.

Damn, I have a few bottles left and am now tempted to open one to see how it's developing. Has anyone tried the 99 recently?

Cheers

daz

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:27 pm

KMP wrote:
Alan Rath wrote:For some peculiar reason, we have half bottles here at a local shop. Drank one over the weekend for Father's day, and it was fantastic, just as described by Mark (although I'm not entirely sure what lanolin smells/taste like). A deep, baritone shiraz, just approaching, but not crossing into, the tar/licorice territory. I'll be looking out for the 750's later in the summer. On the TORB scale, I'd rate it Excellent.

Regards,
Alan

Interesting. We have half bottles of the 2002 over here as well. I was going to buy some but asked if they had 750 ml and yes they did. Got them home and found out they were 2001!!

Anyone got TNs on the 2001 before I return them?

Mike

The 01 is excellent, quality Barossa shiraz, recommend you keep it. Or, at least try a bottle before you return the rest. Get some 02 as well when it's released there in 750ml. Compare the differences. IMHO although having drunk at least a half dozen of the 01 and a couple of bottles of 02, I could seperate them only on the basis of vintage/style. RPJ may give the 02 an extra point, maybe two, because it's more fruity than the 01 but I reckon the 01 is more in the traditional Barossa style 'n there ain't nuthin' wrong with that at this level of quality. The 01 was the top wine of the "Great Australian Shiraz Challenge" last year. Not an exceptional achievement but there was some strong competition, amongst others Plantagenet's Mt Barker (West Aust) Shiraz 01, a highly regarded wine here.

Try it, if you don't like it, return the rest of the case.

Cheers

daz

Cheers

daz

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